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Resolved [Suggestion] Forum Signature Size Limits: Part 2

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As I mentioned near the start of voting, and based on the first poll's results, a second poll is required to determine which maximum size limit will be implemented. Although Option #2 was the most popular in the first poll, it is out of a common courtesy for those who voted 'No' or 'Indifferent' to choose their second best option; or after the discussion that has taken place thus far, allow someone to switch their vote.

For posterity's sake, here are the first poll's results, and the original post below that. The polling options remain unchanged, with the exception of 'No' being omitted.

No: 22
Indifferent: 4
Yes: 41




I am posting this suggestion on behalf of an EBHawk Community member. They wish to institute limits to the maximize size of forum signatures to reduce bloated forum posts while browsing threads. The images below represent select example sizes, as well as correspond to poll options.

Spoiler: Current EBHawk Signature ExamplesShow


Voting Options

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Indifferent
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Yes, implement OPTION #1 as the max forum signature limit
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Yes, implement OPTION #2 as the max forum signature limit
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Yes, implement OPTION #3 as the max forum signature limit
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Yes, implement OPTION #4 as the max forum signature limit
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Number of voters: 0
Posted Apr 14, 16 · OP · Last edited Oct 26, 16
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The Passive Aggression against this topic is palpable.

On topic however, I personally agree with the forbidding of Animated Signatures, from a practical sense only. They're resource intensive in any quantity over 1 a webpage, they tank mobile browser speeds, and over the course of a month of browsing they can account for anywhere between a few hundred megabytes to several gigabytes depending on the number of folks with them and the frequency of their posts per page. That could be the difference between someone going over their ISP's Data limits (that's a thing for some folks) and not. Pixel sizes I don't mind, but I've disabled signatures all together.

Though the number of people who now have animated signatures, based on the statements of those who say they don't like them and the timing of their owner's acquiring of them , I agree, is blatant trolling, and it needs to be addressed.
Posted Apr 26, 16 · Last edited Apr 26, 16
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choosing to have a signature within the confines of the space provided is no more trolling than people making suggestion threads to get the smallest things that bother them changed.

Do keep in mind that the number of Suggestions, and the timing in which they are presented are fairly spaced out, and often require a poll. Yes, it only takes one person to instigate a poll, but if the Community feels one way or the other, it only requires simple vote to make their preferences clear. To the point of making concessions, that is precisely what happens when we vote and agree to the results -- they are never 100% favorable.

Though the number of people who now have animated signatures, based on the statements of those who say they don't like them and the timing of their owner's acquiring of them , I agree, is blatant trolling, and it needs to be addressed.

The surge of animated, obnoxiously large signatures, or ones that feature questionable content that have appeared since these polls were put up is blatant and apparent, but they will be addressed on a case-by-case basis. That being said, if further restrictions are required, I recommend putting up another poll (after this one has been concluded) or taking advantage of Beviin's suggestion:

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... Adblock truly is an amazing thing when it comes to sigs. People can have whatever they want as a sig, just as I can block whatever bothers me.
Posted Apr 26, 16 · OP
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Is there an option on enjin to make the signatures auto-resize to forum restrictions? Somewhat like images do when you post them?
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Posted Apr 27, 16
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Is there an option on enjin to make the signatures auto-resize to forum restrictions? Somewhat like images do when you post them?

They already do; see a few posts up where my signature was all scaled out of wack -- it'll resize the image to the max width.
Posted Apr 27, 16
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The Passive Aggression against this topic is palpable.

On topic however, I personally agree with the forbidding of Animated Signatures, from a practical sense only. They're resource intensive in any quantity over 1 a webpage, they tank mobile browser speeds, and over the course of a month of browsing they can account for anywhere between a few hundred megabytes to several gigabytes depending on the number of folks with them and the frequency of their posts per page. That could be the difference between someone going over their ISP's Data limits (that's a thing for some folks) and not. Pixel sizes I don't mind, but I've disabled signatures all together.

Though the number of people who now have animated signatures, based on the statements of those who say they don't like them and the timing of their owner's acquiring of them , I agree, is blatant trolling, and it needs to be addressed.

If you are worried about signatures slowing down your load times simply because they are animated then you should probably just disable signatures period tbh, and the same applies to people who have data caps. Telling people they cant have animated signatures simply because someone who has a crappy computer or a data restricted ISP is too lazy to toggle the option to turn off signatures is frankly kind of ridiculous. Why don't we get even more restrictive and demand everyone post in haiku because one person on the forums prefers to read Haiku to normal text?

Adding constant random restrictions to things when there are already tools for people who don't like those things to avid them in place is just stupid and gets into the point of favoring certain peoples opinions over others which is a really dumb idea for a community that already has enough issue with people constantly yelling that they are ostracized or that the community doesn't care about them.
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Put in a 56k warning to threads like its 2001 lol
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I'm going to quote Vivek here, because it seems certain people didn't read his post the first time. Emphasis mine.
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Hey guys, I'm glad this has gotten a fair amount of discussion, but do keep in mind that disagreement does not warrant personal remarks; one personal preference may not match another's personal preference, and that's alright. Violating the Forum Polices in any form will result in formal warnings. On that note, I would like to clarify that commentary about the thread and/or its participants will be considered Trolling. If you don't have anything meaningful to contribute, then I recommend voting accordingly and not posting at all.
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The Passive Aggression against this topic is palpable.

On topic however, I personally agree with the forbidding of Animated Signatures, from a practical sense only. They're resource intensive in any quantity over 1 a webpage, they tank mobile browser speeds, and over the course of a month of browsing they can account for anywhere between a few hundred megabytes to several gigabytes depending on the number of folks with them and the frequency of their posts per page. That could be the difference between someone going over their ISP's Data limits (that's a thing for some folks) and not. Pixel sizes I don't mind, but I've disabled signatures all together.

Though the number of people who now have animated signatures, based on the statements of those who say they don't like them and the timing of their owner's acquiring of them , I agree, is blatant trolling, and it needs to be addressed.

If you are worried about signatures slowing down your load times simply because they are animated then you should probably just disable signatures period tbh, and the same applies to people who have data caps. Telling people they cant have animated signatures simply because someone who has a crappy computer or a data restricted ISP is too lazy to toggle the option to turn off signatures is frankly kind of ridiculous.

You're making the assumption that everyone who would be effected by it on this website (present and future):
A) is aware of the difference in data sizes between text and images
B) is aware of the cumulative effect of that difference
C) Chose to own an older or underperforming PC rather than an on par one
D) Aware of their service's data cap
E) Capable of paying for their Data Overages reliably
F) Know about the option to disable the Signatures universally on a website

Not everyone is in as comfortable a financial situation as you or I. Further, not everyone is as a competent with electronics, while a majority of us are -- not everyone is, and most certainly aren't as proficient as the more knowledgeable users on this site. I don't like Sigs, so I disabled them, but not everyone is in that position or willing to take an all-or-none solution like that. Their only alternative is a third party program that they have to configure on a case-by-case basis.


Why don't we get even more restrictive and demand everyone post in haiku because one person on the forums prefers to read Haiku to normal text?

Because Haiku's are the next logical step in this discussion. That's fallacious and you're painfully aware of it.

Adding constant random restrictions to things when there are already tools for people who don't like those things to avid them in place is just stupid and gets into the point of favoring certain peoples opinions over others which is a really dumb idea for a community that already has enough issue with people constantly yelling that they are ostracized or that the community doesn't care about them.

If it were favoring certain people's opinions over others, then there wouldn't be a poll on it -- it'd simply be inacted with no discourse, which you're also painfully aware of not being the case. The only reason this is a problem is because you're uncertain if you're in the majority or not. When (if) it comes to poll, make sure you VOTE against it, and make sure people who agree with you VOTE against it.
Posted Apr 27, 16 · Last edited Apr 27, 16
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The Passive Aggression against this topic is palpable.

On topic however, I personally agree with the forbidding of Animated Signatures, from a practical sense only. They're resource intensive in any quantity over 1 a webpage, they tank mobile browser speeds, and over the course of a month of browsing they can account for anywhere between a few hundred megabytes to several gigabytes depending on the number of folks with them and the frequency of their posts per page. That could be the difference between someone going over their ISP's Data limits (that's a thing for some folks) and not. Pixel sizes I don't mind, but I've disabled signatures all together.

Though the number of people who now have animated signatures, based on the statements of those who say they don't like them and the timing of their owner's acquiring of them , I agree, is blatant trolling, and it needs to be addressed.

If you are worried about signatures slowing down your load times simply because they are animated then you should probably just disable signatures period tbh, and the same applies to people who have data caps. Telling people they cant have animated signatures simply because someone who has a crappy computer or a data restricted ISP is too lazy to toggle the option to turn off signatures is frankly kind of ridiculous.

You're making the assumption that everyone who would be effected by it on this website (present and future):
A) is aware of the difference in data sizes between text and images
B) is aware of the cumulative effect of that difference
C) Chose to own an older or underperforming PC rather than an on par one
D) Aware of their service's data cap
E) Capable of paying for their Data Overages reliably
F) Know about the option to disable the Signatures universally on a website

Not everyone is in as comfortable a financial situation as you or I. Further, not everyone is as a competent with electronics, while a majority of us are -- not everyone is, and most certainly aren't as proficient as the more knowledgeable users on this site. I don't like Sigs, so I disabled them, but not everyone is in that position or willing to take an all-or-none solution like that. Their only alternative is a third party program that they have to configure on a case-by-case basis.


Why don't we get even more restrictive and demand everyone post in haiku because one person on the forums prefers to read Haiku to normal text?

Because Haiku's are the next logical step in this discussion. That's fallacious and you're painfully aware of it.

Adding constant random restrictions to things when there are already tools for people who don't like those things to avid them in place is just stupid and gets into the point of favoring certain peoples opinions over others which is a really dumb idea for a community that already has enough issue with people constantly yelling that they are ostracized or that the community doesn't care about them.

If it were favoring certain people's opinions over others, then there wouldn't be a poll on it -- it'd simply be inacted with no discourse, which you're also painfully aware of not being the case. The only reason this is a problem is because you're uncertain if you're in the majority or not. When (if) it comes to poll, make sure you VOTE against it, and make sure people who agree with you VOTE against it.


So other people need to be punished because some individuals do not take the time to properly learn about their own internet service? As for the unawareness that is much more simply solved by simply having a message that informs people about the data issues posed by images and explains how to disable signatures rather than limiting other people instead. Haikus themselves are not relevant no, but they serve to illustrate the point that just because someone thinks something should be this way because its best for them does not mean it should be that way.

And yes a poll would be great, though given the fact that it is a blind poll and we are unable to see who votes how can we even know its a fair poll and not manipulated by fake voting? such as people voting multiple times on multiple enjin accounts? We cant. This is the same issue that comes with allowing anonymous complaints about things/people which is also a practice i find to be a terrible Idea on the internet. If you allow people on the internet anonymity 9/10 times SOMEONE will exploit that anonymity to their own benefit.
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